tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3359348507190689090.post5909879762740212432..comments2023-07-03T05:58:37.124-07:00Comments on THE PERIMETER PRIMATE: The Disadvantages of an Elite EducationThe Perimeter Primatehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12619173438763495716noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3359348507190689090.post-56631869483606143692011-07-26T07:46:19.263-07:002011-07-26T07:46:19.263-07:00http://www.nightingale.org/commoninc/pushpage/182/...http://www.nightingale.org/commoninc/pushpage/182/default.asp?send_id=&volume_id=47322&user_id=&mode=preview&all=1&news_id=623654<br />----------------<br />Whitney @ http://edreform.blogspot.com/2007/08/nightingale-grads-in-tfa.html<br /><br />"The alumni magazine for my daughters' school, Nightingale-Bamford, has a nice profile of three alums who joined Teach for America..." (8/24/2007)<br />----------------<br />The Nightingale-Bamford School<br />Tuition (2011-2012)<br />K-XII $37,150<br /><br />Student to faculty ratio: 7:1<br /><br />http://www.nightingale.org/podium/default.aspx?t=22035The Perimeter Primatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12619173438763495716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3359348507190689090.post-56740610876149839922011-07-26T07:30:10.994-07:002011-07-26T07:30:10.994-07:00http://www.nytimes.com/1993/08/22/style/engagement...http://www.nytimes.com/1993/08/22/style/engagements-susan-d-blackman-whitney-r-tilson.htmlThe Perimeter Primatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12619173438763495716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3359348507190689090.post-67489173356033915432011-02-22T13:15:50.323-08:002011-02-22T13:15:50.323-08:00Sign in and enjoy!
https://picasaweb.google.com/W...Sign in and enjoy!<br /><br />https://picasaweb.google.com/WTilsonThe Perimeter Primatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12619173438763495716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3359348507190689090.post-17442627699042726532010-05-31T07:20:40.833-07:002010-05-31T07:20:40.833-07:00Mike Klonsky's blog (http://michaelklonsky.blo...Mike Klonsky's blog (http://michaelklonsky.blogspot.com/2010/05/weekend-quotables_31.html)<br /><br />Hedge-fund school "reformers" Tilson, Buffett cleaning up on the oil spill<br /><br />"In a cash-constrained world of chaos and panic, we are finding tremendous bargains," says Tilson (Tech Ticker)<br /><br />Tlison's fund owns Warren Buffett's holding company. Buffett is partners with Bill Gates in the Gates Foundation (which owns more than 4 million shares of BP Oil). Buffet and Tilson also bought NALCO, the company that makes the toxic oil dispersant they are dumping into the Gulf. May be a bigger pollutant than the oil itself. They are also among the biggest backers of privately-managed charter schools. Tilson heads up Democrats for Education Reform (DFER).The Perimeter Primatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12619173438763495716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3359348507190689090.post-61373394683696595852010-02-15T15:48:25.794-08:002010-02-15T15:48:25.794-08:00I know I am coming to the party late, but this is ...I know I am coming to the party late, but this is freaking brilliant!Pete Zuckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16708676684946013529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3359348507190689090.post-82070266015469484032009-05-31T11:36:12.743-07:002009-05-31T11:36:12.743-07:00READERS: YOU MUST LISTEN TO THIS PODCAST WHICH T.H...READERS: YOU MUST LISTEN TO THIS PODCAST WHICH T.H. RECOMMENDED ABOVE:<br /><br />http://www.boingboing.net/2009/04/26/mbas-most-bloody-awf.htmlThe Perimeter Primatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12619173438763495716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3359348507190689090.post-70446236117927288002009-05-04T08:56:00.000-07:002009-05-04T08:56:00.000-07:00Mr, heiny,
You have just proven why should not be...Mr, heiny,<br /><br />You have just proven why should not be allowed anywhere near a school.<br /><br />You are obtuse like a fox.niktohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13219069038917729013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3359348507190689090.post-10177756334395027082009-05-03T16:20:00.000-07:002009-05-03T16:20:00.000-07:00nikto, I meant my comment as questions for discus...nikto, I meant my comment as questions for discussion, not as conclusions. Maybe later, yes?Bob Heinyhttp://www.robertheiny.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3359348507190689090.post-12107137586092511462009-05-01T15:31:00.000-07:002009-05-01T15:31:00.000-07:00Wow.
What a perfect demonstration of Upton's Sinc...Wow.<br /><br />What a perfect demonstration of Upton's Sinclair's brilliant insight into human nature!<br /><br />You have been very helpful with this lesson, Mr. Heiny.<br /><br />Thank you very much!<br /><br /><br />Sign me,<br /><br />-niktoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3359348507190689090.post-31098970981383622372009-04-29T17:15:00.000-07:002009-04-29T17:15:00.000-07:00A great bait post, Anonymous. I see a tangent rela...A great bait post, Anonymous. I see a tangent relationship to the post. <br /><br />Setting aside the obvious political rhetoric, I'd answer your Q with "No", substituting for salary doesn't necessarily hit an aspect of human nature on the button. <br /><br />What's "human nature" about such a trade? <br /><br />Why should anyone trade initiative and risk-taking (entrepreneurship) for dependence on salary issued by someone else ultimately at their discretion? <br /><br />What's "human nature" about depriving anyone of the maximum academic achievement they care to accomplish, whether with age or accomplishment peers?Bob Heinyhttp://www.robertheiny.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3359348507190689090.post-21525519187628352172009-04-29T14:11:00.000-07:002009-04-29T14:11:00.000-07:00I checked out Bob Heiny's blog, and it is very "te...I checked out Bob Heiny's blog, and it is very "techy", but I suspect a pro-profit agenda as he mentions he<br />is in the high-tech business.<br /><br />Sounds like he's got some products <br />to sell.<br /><br />But it's all for the kids, <br />I'm sure.<br /><br />Sigh.<br /><br /><br />-niktoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3359348507190689090.post-90723324726875773572009-04-29T10:35:00.000-07:002009-04-29T10:35:00.000-07:00And let me add a quote from Upton Sinclair to elab...And let me add a quote from Upton Sinclair to elaborate the suspicion more and more people are now having about Elites' involvement in Public School "Reform" and the Charter School movement:<br /><br /><br />"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"<br /><br /><br />Maybe we could substitute "big profit$ from educational products" for the word, "salary".<br /><br /><br />Kinda' hits an aspect of human nature right on the button, no?<br /><br />-niktoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3359348507190689090.post-36047342208749632172009-04-29T09:56:00.000-07:002009-04-29T09:56:00.000-07:00I think the problem with geting the so-called "Eli...I think the problem with geting the so-called "Elites" to understand how they are actually HURTING and not helping Education, can be summarized by this quote:<br /><br /><br /><br />"It’s hard to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” - Upton Sinclair<br /><br /><br />It looks like<br />"The Elites" will have to have their investment portfolios taken away before they can understand the harm they are doing via the charter schools movement.<br /><br /><br />Until that happenes, they can never, EVER be trusted <br />to be impartial.<br /><br /><br />-niktoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3359348507190689090.post-18687631301440565202009-04-28T14:03:00.000-07:002009-04-28T14:03:00.000-07:00Glad I found your blog. Interesting post about eli...Glad I found your blog. Interesting post about elitism and education. I wonder if we hold different views of this topic. <br /><br />So called elite schools, however defined, demonstrate what and how much learning is possible for identifiable cohorts of students. Nothing wrong with that.<br /><br />These schools set academic benchmarks against which other people and schools measure how much of the possible they accomplish. Nothing wrong with that either. <br /><br />They attract bright students, because their students learn more and develop contacts they want for after school. Nothing wrong with that. <br /><br />Another explanation, rather than blaming schooling, exists for people not talking with each other. They hold few common views, for many reasons (including religion, interests, biases, etc.) with schooling likely making a minor contribution to those differences. <br /><br />Yes?Bob Heinyhttp://www.robertheiny.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3359348507190689090.post-20406194783297318312009-04-28T08:47:00.000-07:002009-04-28T08:47:00.000-07:00The so-called "Elite" really need for someone to t...The so-called "Elite" really need for someone to take most of their money away, because they will be made more moral, <br />and probably also happier, if their money is taken from them <br />in huge quantities.<br /><br />Having too much money robs one of motivation, and compromises any decent person's ability to make clear ethical decisions.<br /><br />It should be up to poor and middle-class people ONLY to decide how much money the Elite should be able to keep.<br /><br />The Elite need to have no say whatsoever in the matter at all----That will free them from moral compromise.<br /><br />By taking most of the Elites' money away from them forever, we will improve their lives, make them happier, amd make them more productive members of society.<br /><br /><br /><br />But NONE of this will happen if we let the Elites decide their destiny (or fate) for themselves---That would be counter-productive and would spoil everything.<br /><br />Stuart Buckaroo has got to go <br />for that, right?<br /><br /><br />-niktoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3359348507190689090.post-90295061829645802172009-04-28T04:33:00.000-07:002009-04-28T04:33:00.000-07:00Thank you, I appreciate the William Deresiewicz qu...Thank you, I appreciate the William Deresiewicz quotes above. <br /><br />This past 18 months I've been progressively struck by how incredibly small our planet is. How intimately my life is connected with others (I dont profess that I understand others situations, but I now feel that this too can happen to me. I grew up here in Australia feeling a distance to global catastrophes-I no longer feel this, the opposite in fact). How small it all feels, like I can begin to sense the potential for 'oneness' even whilst watching systemic collapse.<br /><br />This connects with your piece because I myself experienced distance through lack of empathy,identification,unquestioned cultural anomalies and now I feel so different. It's not an intellectual response,I feel this in my gut and everyday reminders that we are in this together. What I do/not does affect the world.<br /><br />I have come to know that people are poor not at all because they are lazy but because of such separatist segregationist policies that support the one winner and dismiss mass losers.People lose because there are winners.<br /><br />I get the feeling that this old top dog down system isn't working for the masses anymore-its exciting to say the least.<br /><br />Invert the pyramid! Children,planet and spirit (same thing)at the top (mothers next!)and corporations at the bottom,supporting everyone else to support the topmost tier. What would education look like then? What could civilisation become?Ruth Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00214522132883137617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3359348507190689090.post-67628036782778431842009-04-27T18:35:00.000-07:002009-04-27T18:35:00.000-07:00Excellent post and points well made. I don't know ...Excellent post and points well made. I don't know if I read it here or somewhere else but I am reminded of the Warren Buffett quote, actually there are two of them but I will use the one from the NY Times, when he was arguing the need to raise taxes on the rich: "There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making the war, and we're winning." (NY Times, 11/26/06)<br /><br />The main thing here is the condescension and while this attitude is not the exclusive domain of the elite it does seem to drip from their help like the condensation on an overheated pipe. Hence from the Kopps and Rhees, and so many others, we get the "trust me, I know what's best" model of governance.<br /><br />I don't think your concerns are misplaced. The disparity between what people like Tilson say they care about and what they actually are doing is quite huge. This isn't helping, this is guilt-reducing charity work. This is giving the people fish instead of teaching them to fish. It is also quite effective in keeping them where they belong.AVParodihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04875792642302052800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3359348507190689090.post-89626523798563399152009-04-27T16:00:00.000-07:002009-04-27T16:00:00.000-07:00This is perhaps even more to the point: http://www...This is perhaps even more to the point: http://www.boingboing.net/2009/04/26/mbas-most-bloody-awf.htmlTom Hoffmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08577165613934129833noreply@blogger.com